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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Apr 19, 2007 10:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

Andy Rooney said on "60 Minutes" a few weeks back:
I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the UnitedCaucasianCollege Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America; and see what happens...Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.
Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.
I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! ARE YOU LISTENING MARTHA BURKE?
I think that if you feel homosexuality is wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion.
I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.
When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the Law of Probability.
I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak English!
My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.
I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry ass if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word "freeze" or "stop" in English, see the above lines.
I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you are qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or any other business.
We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later they could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living document; and open to their interpretations.
I don't hate the rich I don't pity the poor.
I know pro wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television. That doesn't stop you from watching them.
I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system that's better, and put your name on the building.
It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds when necessary, and say "NO!"
I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement. And, please, stay home until that new lip ring heals. I don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you serve me French fries!
I am sick of "Political Correctness." I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa ; so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from Europe . I am proud to be from America and nowhere else
And if you don't like my point of view, tough...
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA , AND TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!




I was asked to send this on if I agree or delete if I don't. It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore I have a very hard time understanding why there is such a problem in having "In God We Trust" on our money and having "God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Why don't we just tell the 14% to Shut Up and BE QUIET!!!
If you agree, pass this on, if not delete.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 19, 2007 1:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

Andy Roony said that? Right on!
btw, ANYONE who calls themselves a Christian, should believe that Jesus Christ was God on earth, that he rose from the dead. They believe abortion is murder, and thou shalt not murder. At least those 4 points, otherwise they are liars-something other than Christian.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 1:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

really? You read Hebrew, Aramic, and Greek? AND able to read those languages within the context of the era they were written it? If not how can YOU really be sure that you are one?

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 19, 2007 1:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

that goes without saying...I've listened to preachers that are expert in those languages, such as the late Dr Gene Scott...and to my heart(Spirit). Has any type of "god" spoken to your heart? I'm not going to argue on atheism though. By the way, tithing is a part of Christianity as well as love, forgiveness and tolerance.
Too many phony's give many religions a bad name.
You either live it or not.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 1:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

well I agree with you on living it, that's for sure. The thing about Christianity today is they seem to have forsaken the poor in exchange for selfrighteousness.

My Mom made me go to Bible school when I was a kid. I gurantee you thatI know more about the Bible than most people I know that claim to be Christians.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 19, 2007 2:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

Pro choice means you aren't a true Christian? Hmm, better pass that along and see how many women leave on Sunday. Abortion os murder. Right. Let's let all those unwanted foetii grow up without love so that they can be shipped ti Iraq or executed for their crimes.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Apr 19, 2007 6:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

i'm a Christian - and i'm with you on that Ghost

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 19, 2007 6:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

what are you saying, dire? A true Christian would abort their son or daughter from somehow looking into the future?
I cannot see the future and with God, all things are possible. There are a lot of great people alive that were born of even rape or had bad early lives and God, turned their lives around. Some did'nt, but we all have free will to chose good or evil. On a personal level, I can say I'm this or that, but God only knows my heart. To me, Christianity is one day at a time and a battle of my free will and Gods will in my life.
It sure aint easy!

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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Apr 19, 2007 3:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

well...technically rasta did not say thou shall not be pro choice. I know a few Christians who are pro choice, but would never have an abortion themselves. They just think it's better if at least some abortions (but usually not Partial Birth Abortion) are legally available just to keep women from getting back-alley abortions.

Personally, I'm not sure where I stand. Very complicated issue. I think abortion is very wrong, but I'm not sure it should be illegal.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 19, 2007 5:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

It's perhaps the most complicated issue we face--We! It's a woman's body. I agree that not all Christians agree with zero abortion. I took exception to Rasta's belief that all good Christian's feel abortion is wrong.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 19, 2007 6:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

To me, abortion is a VERY uncomplicated issue. What parent would not sacrifice their life for their children? If I were a woman, and it was me or my unborn (or born) child, the child would live. That is love.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 19, 2007 6:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

you betcha! In true Christianity, your body is a temple of the Lord and not your own. You are in Christ and Christ is in you. Btw, I'm not saying I'm Christian-or not. God only knows my heart. A good book to read is Mere Christianity by C.S.Lewis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere_Christianity

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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Apr 19, 2007 3:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

yes - very true! faith is a way of life, not just a set of beliefs!

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 19, 2007 11:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

While I agree with what the old curmudgeon has to say, I do not agree with the in God we trust slogan for one simple reason: we cannot agree on who God is, or whose God is the "right" God or even if there is a God at all. Sure, we were founded on the basis of the judeo-christian God, but we also celebrate differences and dissention. Is this the God of the Islamic terrorists? The God of the religious right? The vengeful God of the Jews? The loving God? Krishna?

Don't respond with either they are all God or that God is perceived in many different ways--but in the end God is God.
God and religion are one of the most divisive social constructs the world has ever known. If we aren't fighting wars over oil, land, or skin color, we are fighting over God.

So, no I don't trust in God. I trust in myself and my relationship to this planet and the great mysteries that inform our lives.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 19, 2007 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

but has no one introduced you to the mystery and might of the flying spaghetti monster? the world needs more pastafarians....
http://www.venganza.org/


I don't believe in zimmerman...
(or even yoko)

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 19, 2007 11:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

Yoko and me, and that's reality.

The dream is over.

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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Apr 19, 2007 11:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

I agree with much of what you say, ghostofpig.

I would also like to add that religion has been used in a discriminatory manner throughout US History. It has largely been a power struggle.

Anglo Protestants were very influential in the early days of America, especially in the realm of education. It was Protestants that set up the public school system, and it was used to educate students in a Christian setting. Things like Bible reading (from the King James Bible), prayer, and theology were a part of every day schooling, despite the protests of poor Catholics (who couldn't afford private Catholic schools or who didn't live close to them), Jews, and people of other (or no) religions. Children who protested such work were beaten, laughed at, and even expelled. The schools were explicitly meant to be sectarian. This continued until around 1945 or so.

After that, the courts began to change the schools, making them less and less sectarian. Many schools in the south maintained school prayer, mandatory Bible study, mandatory (Protestant) theology classes, and the like. Protestants for a long time tried to hold on to whatever power they had in the schools, and in many cases still do. This comes now in the form of the fight for school prayer, the teaching of intelligent design, and keeping "God" in the pledge of allegience. Only in the last 20 years or so have Catholics and Protestants teamed up on these issues.



Okay, I know this sounds like I'm bashing protestants, but I'm not really. I consider myself Protestant...sort of...(I really consider myself a non-affiliated non-denominational Christian...and I was raised Catholic), and much of what I learned about this subject came from readings I did in a class about Religion and Education that was taught by a Protestant prof. It's historically based, although I haven't given the argument justice in this short space, because I don't have the time right now.

ANYWAY...what my real point here is that despite the fact that I am Christian and believe in God, I don't want God's name on my money or in my schools - especially in the pledge. The use of God's name has been so sectarian in American history that I want no part of it in public things such as money and schools. As far as schools and religion are concerned, I want religious instruction to come at home and in my church, NOT in the public schools! And the pledge...I pledge allegience to God first, not to a flag or a country. The pledge to me is a sort of idol worship anyway, but that's a whole other topic...

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Poster: kschneid Date: Apr 19, 2007 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

Andy Rooney? Really? I'm sceptical...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: good ole' andy rooney(non-dead so skip it if your looking to read a gd topic :) )

good ol' internet BS propoganda. Even if he did say this I guarantee it wasn't a few weeks ago because I've been seeing this for years. Along with the Patton one, Ollie North one, along with the Robin Williams one which I KNOW couldn't of been him. All of them designed to return America to it's greatness - White Anglo Saxon PRotestant and everyone elese to know their place as less than American.